Poetry With A Mission



...a thought provoking poetical exercise.

EQUAL IN WORTH AND BEING, DIFFERENT IN FUNCTION. THEOLOGICAL, NOT CULTURAL.

“This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop [elder/pastor role], he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house [proven leadership in his own home], having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)…[a pastor and elder are in a spiritual leadership role, representative of God the Father to the congregation. The Bible does not present a female as a symbol of that paternal representation of headship. God is literally a father. Only a man can actually represent a father]” (1 Tim 3:1-7, KJV). Note Titus 1:5-9.

“I permit [apostolic authority under God’s revelation] no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent [silent in a qualified sense, authoritative teaching that is part of the pastoral office and the position of leadership and spiritual authority over a congregation]. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor” (1 Tim 2:12-14).

“For God is a God not of disorder but of peace. (As in all the churches of the saints [universal application], women should be silent in the churches [context — the proper conducting of worship services]. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as the law [Scriptures plain instructions] also says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home [to prevent unseemly interruptions]. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church [may have included any form of questioning viewed as challenging church leadership, criticizing the prophets, elders or husbands]. Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only ones it has reached?) [Paul’s rebuke of man’s opinions and actions contrary to God’s creative purpose and will]” (1 Cor 14:33-36).

 “ ‘For rebellion is no less a sin than divination, and stubbornness is like iniquity and idolatry…’ ” (1 Sam 15:23). Note 2 Tim 4:3,4; Gal 1:9.

“These things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual” (1 Cor 2:10,13, ESV).

“And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers” (1 Thess 2:13, ESV).

“As we have said before, so now I repeat, if anyone proclaims to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let that one be accursed!” (Gal 1:9).

"I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people" (Rom 16:17,18, NIV).

“Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord [biblical submission-not worldly submission; consciously and voluntarily chosen, a response to the husbands caring and self sacrificing love]. For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is head of the church, the body of which he is the Savior. Just as the church is subject to Christ, so also wives ought to be, in everything, to their husbands [that is, in everything that is in harmony with the mind of God]. Each of you, however, should love his wife as himself, and a wife should respect her husband” (Eph 5:22,23,24,33). 

“…[women] being submissive to their husbands, so that the word of God may not be discredited [when the New Testament talks about the importance of the subordination of woman to man, it appeals to the order of creation in Genesis chapter two (Eph 5:31; 1 Cor 11:8,9; 1 Tim 2:13,14), not to the curse of the woman in Genesis 3:16]” (Titus 2:5). Note 1 Peter 3:7.

“...and God is the head of Christ” (1 Cor 11:3).

“ ‘I [Christ]...seek to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me [His Father]’ ” (John 5:30). 

“ ‘The Father and I are one’ ” (John 10:30).

“As for My people, children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err, And destroy the way of your paths” (Isa 3:12, NKJV).

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On Whose Authority?

Heresy is clearly the opposite to what our Lord has said,
And that is, man’s word rather than God’s word being implemented,
The Scriptures corrupted, twisted; and there's misinterpretation,
Which also misleads, deludes, and receives God’s strong condemnation.

So would we dare to ignore God’s wishes, do things differently,
Or perhaps via carelessness, even acting ignorantly,
And thus please man instead of God, put ourselves first, sadly compromise,
And somewhere down the track, our folly or even fate then realise?

Therefore,

Is ordaining women as pastors — even elders — heresy?
Is such the opposite to what God has stated biblically?
Did God say that we could do such, or did the apostles say so,
And is there a passage within God's Word that will clearly such show?

If there isn't a clear passage in Scripture that says that we can,
Then surely we’re simply relying on the shaky words of man.
But tell me, why would we buy into humanistic philosophy,
And thereby, foolishly superimpose such un-biblically?

You see,

Going by the Bible, pastors and elders are one and the same,
And therefore, once women are made elders, a pastor’s role they can claim.
And fair enough too — in that context, that is — but I’ve yet to see
Where in God's Word it says that women such officially can be.

No,

Any evidence in favour of such comes via the words of men,
And not directly from God’s mouth, nor any Bible writer’s pen.
And why Bible texts are oft taken out of context to defend
Some totally unacceptable pagan and Christian blend.

But God's a God of order, and He drawing demarcation lines,
And thus via His Holy Word, roles for both men and women assigns.
And there are roles in Heaven too, even within the Trinity,
Where we see Jesus submitting to His Father, and willingly.

And therefore, why not some roles on earth, ecclesiastically,
And within marriage, where men and women function differently?
Though differing in function, they’re still equal in worth and being,
So why would Christians over such roles be disagreeing?

And yes, Satan’s behind anything that’s wrong, anything askew,
And this is why Christians just can’t afford to Scripture misconstrue.
And why we should surrender to the will of God, and never man,
For rebellion, alias self, is where man’s troubles first began.

Thus I fear a pagan priesthood has entered Christianity,
Something that we've never seen before in this planet’s history.
For only within pagan religions was a female priest seen,
So tell me, why are women pastors now appearing on the scene?

Therefore, has Christendom foolishly strayed from the straight and narrow,
And have certain Christians just been pushing a personal barrow?
Has feminism and humanism also falsely advised,
And as a consequence, the modern Church such error authorised?

And some might say, “Quite frankly, women pastors just don’t bother me,”
But if they’re bothering God, not even one such pastor should we see.
Because it’s His will that matters, and thus it His will we’re to seek,
And hence why on behalf of women pastors I choose not to speak. 

By Lance Landall


This poem was upgraded on 14 May 2016.

For a simplistic, yet deeper overview come summary of this issue, click here.

By clicking on the arrow to the right, and then again, you can see my poems:
Worth's Not Tied To Function and Contemporary Eves.





                                  2.  Where Women Dare

Wherever there’s a push for the ordaining of women as elders and pastors, one thing is very clear,
And that is, that such is always connected to a liberality that is devoid of godly fear.
And by that I’m meaning, a healthy respect for both God and His Word, such losing out to audacity,
For when it comes to women elders and pastors, not one single word of Scripture gives such authority.

Yes, its quite some cheek, for though men and women are equal in every way, God drew a clear line in the sand,
And by that I mean, He assigned certain roles to each; and there’s another thing that we need to understand,
And that is, that when we mess with God and His Word, we do so at our peril, for those who add or subtract,
Will one day seriously regret that they even thought to, for against such tinkerers, God will soon act.

And rightly so, for how dare they create such a schism within any church, thus assaulting unity,
And, by the way, not taking the moral high ground by refraining, they selfishly bucking authority.
Yes, God’s authority, and while they’re at it, they indulging in underhand tactics to achieve their goal,
Or so it has been with many, for they’ve no legitimate quarrel, and endanger Scripture as a whole.

Yes, modern Eves who’re surrounded by those who’re also fulfilling prophecy, for they’re leading folk astray,
All of which hinders and thwarts the Church’s mission, and declares to unbelievers that all is not okay.
Oh yes, how such damages the Christian witness, and why it’s not of God, but rather, our adversary,
Who loves to create discontent, a longing for forbidden fruit — heresy supplied conveniently.

Yes, make no mistake, for God never intended that His Church have a female priesthood, and nor a confused one,
For no female can stand before the flock and rightly represent either the male Father or the male Son.
Such being why the evangelical feminists attack such imagery, for their ends, such hardly suits,
And it’s that “doesn’t suit” that’s so often at the root of things, and why we’re told that we’ll know them by their fruits.

Well...

Where women dare, they suffer the consequences that come with such straying, hence that back-lash from feminism,
For women are less respected today, feminism having generated greater chauvinism.
And why women have become mere sexual objects in the minds of many men — such a sad way to learn —
And here they go again, squaring off with men, and what will result? — for God’s “No” they’ve once again chosen to spurn.

The facts are, that if Christ, (who some folk deem a radical), had wanted women to be elders and pastors too,
And the apostles knew so, both He and they would’ve conveyed such — and way back then, pursued that avenue.
After all, it was Christ who condemned the mistreatment of women, He not culture bound, nor a chauvinist,
Therefore, had He wanted women to be elders and pastors too, such would’ve been high on His “to do” list.

Thus, the only “to do” list that women elders and pastors are figuring on is man’s, and wrongly so,
Such being a clear departure from what God has laid down via His Word, the sad results having begun to show.
For such has opened the door to other wrongs, each one bearing evidence of a divine “I told you so,”
And that sad rebelliousness that has plagued God’s people all throughout Earth’s history, who far better should know.

By Lance Landall



The word elder in the Greek means masculine. 




3.  Though God Loves Women...

No woman need question God’s love for her, nor for any woman, every eye on Calvary,
For there, Christ showed the same love for all, no one lower or higher, all fallen humanity.
But loved nevertheless; and though certain roles were given to men that no woman was to seek.
Such never suggested women were inferior, nor less equal, incompetent or weak.

And in fact, look at Christ’s earthly mother — Mary — she being the most blessed woman among women,
Though let me make one thing very clear, and that is, that Mary wasn’t blessed above all women.
And hence why she mustn’t be seen as any different to any other woman, but hey,
What an honour to be Christ’s earthly mother, which such a lot about a woman’s worth must say.

Yes, what man has been honoured so greatly, (not that he could be here, but I’m sure you get my point),
And yet, despite such an honour, no woman as an elder or pastor Christ sought to anoint.
And nor the apostles, their instructions in line with their Lord’s and the Spirit’s leading, and why
Women shouldn’t seek what’s been allotted to men, for though equal with men, God’s Word they’d defy.

And such is no small matter, for no man or woman should think to go contrary to God’s will,
We always putting His will before ours, lest like Adam and Eve, we soon sense that same ill chill.
Yes, at first a warm feeling, perhaps, a sense of having achieved some greater height, then that fall,
And why those sad consequences of straying that the Scriptures expose, we all need to recall.

Oh yes, how God loves women, their femininity complimenting man’s masculinity,
Never competing with it, for women are women and men are men, just as Christ meant it be.
In other words, they both equal in worth and being, yet different, each created uniquely,
Their role distinctions appointed by Christ himself, who showed the same love for all on Calvary.

Being a pastor doesn’t give one greater worth, but brings one under greater accountability,
Therefore, even men should check their heart and mind before accepting such responsibility.
But when women seek what God in His wisdom has withheld from them, they not only badly err,
But lose more than they gain, and in this case, God’s creational design and intent badly blur.

The part that women play within the Church, their home and society — their contribution, say —
Equals that of men in importance and value, and always has done, and so it is today.
Therefore, any who somehow put women down are acting very wrongly, for Christ never did,
Though when it comes to women elders and pastors, we must remember that such Christ prohibited.

By Lance Landall




4.  Called Or Not Called?

Though God has called us all to service, that doesn’t mean the same role,
And thus why all personal desires should be brought under control.
For many folk have convinced themselves that they were doing God’s will,
When the truth is, it was their desires they were trying to fulfil.

Though they were appointed to some role, it wasn't God who did so,
But rather, fallen humans who did that, who oft poor judgment show.
And thus why some thought that they were called when they were not called at all,
For it was simply their fellow humans who wrongly made that call.

By Lance Landall




5.  To Certain Disgruntled Women

I have seen and heard those very negative responses that are coming from you,
Which suggests an unfitness, in my view, (you wanting women to be pastors too),
But shouldn’t you be emulating the One whom you wish women to represent,
 JESUS?
Who must surely be shaking His head at all the grumblings and rumblings-cum-that fuss.

Oh, how you’re pushing so hard, as if God needs your help! — for were such really His will,
(As you all seem to think it is), wouldn’t you only need to trust in Him until?
But no, there you go again, snapping at another “No” vote and crying foul play,
And if Jesus were to suddenly appear, I wonder what He would have to say.

Would it be, “Well done my faithful servant,” and in modern jargon, “I like your style,”
Or would there be tears in His humble eyes, an absent smile, and He pausing awhile.
You remembering those tweets, those Lucifer-like insinuations — and tell me,
Have any of you been involved in anything that may’ve lacked transparency?

You’ve redoubled your efforts, I see, are more determined than ever, quite clearly,
But is that what Jesus really wants, and are you not happy with democracy?
And given your raw feelings, how you’re so hit up, seems you don’t handle defeat well,
And what about some kind of parish crisis, say, some “We won’t acknowledge you” yell,

(And is this why an apostle called women the weaker sex)?

Just as the discontented Lucifer took a third of the angels off with him,
There will always be supporters behind and ahead singing the same old tired hymn.
It more about them than Christ, and why those wanting to be first will be last, He said,
For pride and rebellion argue while humbleness and obedience just accept,

Consider others instead.

Yes, you all so sure you’re right, but didn’t rebellious Korah think that he was too?
And discontent with what they consider a lesser role why many go askew.
And when there’s a “No” vote, they not prepared to move on, but digging their big toes in,
And here is where so many may well turn their foolishness into a grievous sin.

But tell me, was Jesus ever into pity parties? No, just the old liar,
That deceiving serpent who gets foolish humans chasing what will also backfire.
And by the way, this whole women pastor thing being a terrible distraction,
For isn’t this a time when unity is paramount, not what might well become:

Some fatal attraction?

Yes, to certain disgruntled women, and certain disgruntled male sympathisers.

By Lance Landall




6.  Strange Shepards: Women Pastors


One thing is very clear to me, and I must add, black and white biblically, and that is: That if Christ had intended that women be pastors too, (a misguided and heretical contemporary view), He would have included them amongst the favoured twelve, but when over the Scriptures we ponder, and into this delve, it’s clear that He didn’t, and clear that He wouldn’t, for God is a God of order, whose way is narrow rather than broader, one He wisely laid out intentionally, methodically, succinctly, logically and harmoniously, and not in order to please men, for His ways are oft beyond their ken, though not here, for God has made things very clear, as is seen all throughout Scripture, lest folk misinterpret the picture.
That picture being: That men and women are equal in worth, but different in function — however, it’s at this very junction, that opposition to women pastors meets with derision and mirth, and why heresy has given birth, for foolish men, once again, their own kind have sort to please and appease, rather than the truth of the matter rightly seize.
No, Christ was no prisoner of time, inconsistent in rhythm and rhyme, nor one to bow to culture, but rather, an organised radical, one seeking what was best and blessed, not that which wasn’t wise or ill, and who came to free women from male tyranny, enforced inequality, and yet, a pattern still set function wise — that is, headship and submission wise; and ecclesiastically, elder and pastor wise, by choosing to appoint men specifically, (as shepherding apostles, that is; authorised apostolically), in line with His creational design, a demarcation line, and a pattern reiterated and upheld by Paul, who conscientiously pointed to the order pre-Fall, for to go contrary to God’s creational design, is to clearly say and convey, “Not Your will, Lord, but rather, mine,” which places one on the side of the enemy, who women elders and pastors, (one and the same, just different in name), wishes to see, for such distorts the pastor’s role, which is clearly Satan’s goal, for symbolically, and I must say, realistically, a pastor, (man), represents God the Father, Christ who’s the Head of the Church, which He never intended lurch — that is, towards apostasy, a pagan female priesthood, which embraced and implemented, is clearly heresy.
Even when Judas was replaced, and a gathering of men and women that decision faced, they still chose a man in harmony with God’s plan, and in harmony with Scripture too, for there, bold and clear, and for all to view, (and where we’re more than just the once told), that within the Master’s fold, only men are to shepherd each flock — in other words, those churches that have been built upon Christ the Rock.
Yes, it’s crystal clear, (and to which we’re to adhere), for no woman can represent the Father above, who, in His great wisdom and everlasting love, gave us a pattern to follow, lest we, as many have, Satan’s scheming and heresy swallow, thereby giving glory and credence to a devil, who in our unwitting adoration will revel.
Personally, if God were to appoint women pastors, it wouldn’t concern me, but nowhere has He done so, said so, and the following all should know: That behind this push for woman pastors, (which ordained woman elders provide with castors), is the evangelical feminist, who civil and humanistic sources seeks to enlist, a telling sign indeed, and one that we all should heed, and more so, given that as far as woman pastors go, there’s certainly no need.
Yes, it’s very clear and simple, as God intended it be, but not so for some who’re more learned, who oft lose sight of things intellectually and academically.
Yes, too full of acquired knowledge and ability, (and often even pridefully), such soon get carried away, and thereby, take things astray, for rather than a clear biblical conclusion, they come up with some aberrant man-made fusion, aided and abetted by those institutions from where they gain their theology, which more often than not, are riddled with man’s opinion, error and liberality.
Oh yes, so much more could be said, but unless one is truly Spirit-led, a raft of evidence won't necessarily convict, and more so, where the Spirit and flesh are in conflict, for it's only the willing seeker of truth, (propelled by faith more than proof), and the open mind, (that has put self and ambition behind), that the truth of the matter will eventually find, for when all is said and done, courtesy of the Son, different roles for men and woman were undoubtedly designed — and God is not mocked, let me remind.

By Lance Landall


Thus, women can only be pastors if they openly disobey the Bible’s teaching.






FOUR QUESTIONS, EACH WITH AN ANSWER

Does Galatians 3:28 show that the ecclesiastical role distinction between men and women is now invalid?

“There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male or female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus” (Gal 3:28).

Answer: No. The phrase “male and female” refers to human beings in their sexual differentiation, not in their social roles as the words man and woman would convey. The context — any person irrespective of race, social status or sex can be saved only by faith, thus, all persons stand on an equal footing before God — in other words, ‘spiritual equality.’

Does the statement made by the apostle Peter in 1 Peter 2:9 effectively make the ecclesiastical role distinction between men and women invalid now?

"But you [Christians] are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light” (1 Peter 2:9).

Answer: No. Peter here, is simply referring to the fact that all Christians enjoy freedom of access to God by virtue of Christ’s mediatorial work in the heavenly sanctuary and therefore need no human mediator, no human priest (Heb 8:1,2,5; 9:24; Rom 8:34).
When people become citizens of Christ’s kingdom [spiritual Israel] they join a ‘Holy Nation’ whose task is to manifest the glory of their master in the sight of men as priests in their individual relationship to God, not as ordained priests representing the community.

Doesn't Ephesians 5:21 say that both the husband and wife are to submit to each other?

“Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God” (Eph 5:21).

Answer: Ephesians 5:21is referring to Christian relationships in general. The context is citing a general principle of conduct. Submission, humility and subjection are essential characteristics of the believer. The point — self must be suppressed.
Where as, Ephesians 5:22-33 is referring to creational functions ordained by God Himself. Different context!

What about head Coverings?

“But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of Christ. Any man who prays or prophesies with something on his head disgraces his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head [Paul emphasizes the importance of respecting a custom which in his day helped to maintain the creational role distinctions. While woman can participate in the worship services they should do so in ways that indicate submission to the divinely established structure. Paul appeals not only to cultural but especially to theological reasoning] — it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved [a highly visible sign of a woman’s shame resulting from her repudiation of her husbands authority]. For if a woman will not veil herself [misguided/rebellious emancipated Corinthian woman, that is], then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil. For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and reflection of God; but woman is the reflection of man. Indeed, man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for the sake of woman, but woman for the sake of man. For this reason a woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels [good angels present at public religious exercises who would be offended at such a disregard of God’s word and insult to the creator of whom they have such an exalted understanding of]” (1 Cor 11:3-10).

Every Christian should be aware of the dangers of feminism and the feminizing of the church. You might like to read my secular poem: "Feminism".


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